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In a time of complete CV-19 Madness, the 365 Motorsailer.

Started by Sandy, April 03, 2020, 12:09:06 AM

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Sandy

Well thats right, give me too much time and a Corel Version of Photoshop and crazy things are going to happen. I just want to say from the start that of course the sensible would just go out and buy a pilothouse version of our favourite boat, but many of you would have learned by now Im far from sensible with a penchant for sweeter what if nonsense, which got me thinking....
This appropriation of reality is taking the 365 ketch and turning it into a Pilothouse boat, I guess more accurately a 365 Motorsailer

You may or may not realise this but the Pearson pilothouse and the 365 are quite different in subtle ways. In particular the cockpit and mechanical arrangement for the shaft aperture and the angle of the shaft. I think in some ways these are advantages for the 365 version, as it has a higher cockpit and therefore an easier view over it from the helm. This is meant to be a more comfortable boat in a marina as it offers a protected view of the world around you which is nearly always more interesting than being. For me this would also replace almost everything that is becoming doubtful in varying degrees as the condition of components deteriorates because of age. And its everything, portlights, sofa cushions, wiring, cabin sole surface, the dodger, cabin side gelcoat, main sail. While the proposal is extreme, it isnt anything like building a new boat, even though much of it will end up being new it is an extensive refit on what was a cheap buy in the first place.

So how is it done? The roof of the cabin is clipped off at the top of the cabin sides of a 365, heavy framing in 8 parts arranged to reattach it using the original hull and cabin sides. The sides themselves make the basis of the window framing, but as they necessarily follow the same deck plan they might have to achieve this in a built up laminate of thicknesses of 1/4" ply as it will conform easier. A brow above the screen is added forward and a complete bulkhead aft with cabin access. I would expect replacement glazing to exceed 1/2", and yes thats expensive.

The cabin deck in the main cabin would be pulled up and removed, its possible that mine need replacing by now anyway, and raised in the order of 20" to 24" higher. The only object here is having the room to reinstall the W40 beneath the sole and subsequent insulation in the space where on the Pilothouse version a W50 lives. That line approximates the height of the port and starboard water tanks, but I recognise some important issues in reorganising the mounts and aligning the shaft. and just one separate thing here, a simpler transmission that drops the F/R gearbox could be envisaged that uses a pitch adjustable feathering propeller, which is something that in a perfect world I might seek to do anyway. I havent yet seen an engine which on some useful power carries less height than the venerable Westerbeke, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Among those possibilities theres a lot of room atop the raised cabin for solar panels, lending to the notion of electric power and battery ballast.

Sail Plan: Likewise the main and the boom location would probably have to be shortened meaning one of the few ways of restoring the area of the main is to use a battened roach, where again in my instance my main is the original and now over 40 years old.

Interior arrangements. The plan here amid a vast upheaval of the interior, was to change things as little as possible. In this way the forward cabin and the head have been maintained in situ, but the galley has been relocated opposite the heads in a much reduced form with a flip up counter to assist in recovering some flat working space. The main cabin is dominated by couches suitable for berths but that in themselves are easy to fabricate. Really the layout in the main mirrors that of successful power boats such as Grand Banks, consequently a helm is illustrated with a nav position opposite.

Find attached the Motorsailer plan, the Pearson Pilothouse, the 365 ketch and a similar cabin.






S/V Deo Volente

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I do have the pilothouse and have been aboard both the 365 ketch and the 367 cutter. The cockpit is the same height, it's the cabin that is different. The pilothouse doesn't have the aft seat/lazarete. In your version it appears the floor and pilothouse are at the same height as the Pilothouse version. It looks like you'd be giving up a "large" galley for a very small one, and it would be closer to the bow. Of course being close to the head might be good in rough weather. All in all you'd be doing a lot of work to get a ketch rig and couches into a pilothouse.
There are at least three Pilothouse versions for sale right now!
"S/V Deo Volente"
Pearson 365 Pilothouse
Hull #17 1980
Duluth Minnesota
Bob

SVJourney

LOL, just give me the money.  I'll deliver it for ya!   ;D
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jpendoley

I thought I was a glutton for work.  This makes me weary just thinking about the amount of labor involved.
The rebuild of my engine got me through the pandemic nicely-this would be more on the scale of a project to while away time during armageddon.
Its springtime-time to go sailing.

S/V Deo Volente

Regarding weight, the factory pilot house has aluminum framed windows. The windows themselves were plexiglass. I did replace the three forward windows with tempered glass which is heavier but the wipers won't scratch it. Personally I don'rt care for the flat front, just the aesthetics. The lower roofline will only work if you keep the engine under the cockpit.
I know it's quite a ways from you but at least it's in the right ocean ....  https://pearson365.com/forum/index.php?topic=2048.0
"S/V Deo Volente"
Pearson 365 Pilothouse
Hull #17 1980
Duluth Minnesota
Bob

SVJourney

A few years ago people would finance their year long trip across the Pacific buying boats in the US and selling in OZ.  Now with the AUD low and import fees and converting to Aussie specs, yeah I would think it wouldn't be worth it anymore.
What is worth it is the trip itself.  The 2 years we spent cruising the Pacific are the highlight of my life.
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SVJourney

Pretty amazing photo work!  Curious as to how you did that?
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