lefting or haul out strap location

[SV Smart Move]

In the diagram for lifting the 365 shows placing the rear lifting strap up at the prop. How ever I have spoken with 2 other 365 owners who do not use that placement. they us the very end of the keel ware it is narrow and hallow.  Can I please get some feed back on how you other 365 owners place the rear lifting strap?
johnny

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Rio Dulce

[eveningebb]

I've had much better luck slipping the strap under the rudder and around the skeg, sliding it into place above the prop.  Lifting my 365 from the back of the keel puts too much stress on the hull.  The last time we lifted it on the keel there was some flexing in the hull that made all us nervous.  No damage but too much drama.  If you have a patient lift operator, it doesn't take too long to slip the strap around the skeg and position it above the prop.  Be sure to keep checking the prop shaft to make sure it spins freely while you're positioning the strap and lifting the boat.

Dirk

[POG]

Here is what to do:

Tie an empty plastic bottle to a modest line (1/4" dia or so).  Look at a side diagram of the boat and determine the location of the STRUT.  You can also feel for it with a long stick from the dock.  Push the bottle with a boat hook under the hull in the space between the STRUT and where the prop shaft enters the hull.  Catch the bottle on the opposite side.  Draw the line tight and cleat on either side.  Make sure the shaft can be turned freely in neutral and that the line is on the hull and not under the shaft.

You can now travel to your haul out where the yard will use the line (or a bigger one scarfed to it) to pull the aft sling in place forward of the STRUT.  Before they lift, have them tighten the sling slightly and once again make sure the shaft tuns freely.

When they block the boat make sure that the aft block is not right at the aft tip of the keel.  Have them put a long support under the keel in this area to spread the load.  Several P 365 have had trouble with the hollow, vulnerable aft part of the keel.

[graemek]

they lift mine out with a travel lift,they place one strap over the rear scupper drain holes which places it about 18in forward of the rear of the keel the front strop just before the start of the keel then tie them together above the water line,been OK so far

[Dale Tanski]

I agree with the "fish it through" method, however I have used vinyl coated chain.  I tie a length of line to each end of a short length of chain and start at the back of the boat and follow the contour of the bottom of the boat until the chain slides up the front of the rudder strut.  We then tie one end of the line to the travel lift strap and fish the strap along the bottom of the hull above the prop.  I do like the sound of the jug idea and will consider that next fall.

Each year is an experience, some bad some good.  One year before I went to the chain method I thought we had it because the prop shaft spun freely.  To our amazement the strap was dead center on the prop strut.  No damage was done but I would not recommend lifting the boat in that fashion.

Dale

[POG]

As the years go by I am getting ever more befuddled.  One symptom is chasing off emails before I have read through them properly.

Where the aft strap is located when I lift my boat is between the STRUT (not the skeg!!!) and where the prop shaft enters the hull.  Not aft of the strut.  Forward sling is just under the beginnings of the ballast part of the keel.  Gives good balance and support.  The aft sling is not dragging around on the prop during attempts to put it in place.  Easy pull through of the sling in the opening between the hull and the prop shaft.

I will modify my first posting where I was talking about the skeg but meant the strut.

[SV Smart Move]

Thanks for the feed back. I did not do a count on the different opinion but it looks like the ( and let me get this strait) the rear sling goes forward of the strut and over the prop shaft. Sound like a little extra work. The reason I asked is the guy I bout the vessel from used a totally different method, and I did not like it. Tried it on the end of the keel and did not like it.

The vessel came with some damaged fiberglass flooring in the corner of the galley and under the nave station. Because I thought the damage might have come from hauling the vessel at the very rear over the prop.

So after reading everyones comments, ( all educational thanks). My next haul will be strap forward of the strut and over the prop shaft.

Will still like to here more on the subject as I dint plan to haul till next season.
thanks all
johnny
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[Dale Tanski]

Found this.
Yeks what an ugly bottom... which has since been replaced.




Hope this helps.

Dale

[ishmael]

Dale's picture is how we place the straps to haul too.  Sometimes difficult for the operator to hit the sweet spot without fouling on the prop or the rudder skeg.  Easier if you slide the strap forward along the bottom of the rudder and skeg until it can clear the skeg and lift into the open space. 

[RayNWanda]

 We backed the boat in then tied a line to the sling that was going in front of the skeg. Once the strap was in front of the skeg, I held tension on the line. The idea was to flatten the strap against the skeg so that it would slip into place above the prop. We hauled/launched Abracadabra twice and Blackjack once with this method and the strap has slipped in and fell back out first try every time.