Hey guys, I know not many of you race your 365, but this year we just might. My 24 year son had shoulder surgery to fix a skiing crunch and he is not showing much improvement after a month and a half. My 23 year foredeck daughter looks like she will be interning this summer outside of driving distance to race our J-22. This leaves me with a bit of a predicament.
My two youngest daughters 12 & 14 are too young alone to handle the loads on the J-22 with the old man driving, and the two oldest are looking like they are out of the picture. My one option is to race the 365 around the cans on Wednesday night. Now I know what you are thinking, if 12 & 14 year old girls can't handle the loads on a J-22 how are they going to handle the 365? Now that is a reasonable question and I hope this is a reasonable answer. In the fleet that we campain our J-22 in there is very little room for error, and most starts and mark roundings are shoe horn tight. There is a ton of boat to boat tactics, lots of tacking and very aggressive multi gybe downhill runs. Our courses are windward leeward and fairly short (under 1/2 mile to the weather pin). We typically race 3 races a night back to back to back with under 5 minutes from the last finishing boat to the sequence gun. The aggressive nature of the fleet leaves little room for sight seeing. The J also needs beef on the rail or you just can't hold your lane uphill.
That being said the 365 should be just the opposite. Set it and forget it. If we sail a JAM fleet as long as we have a triangle course we should be able to handle it. The Wednesday night fleets are just not that aggressive with the exception of the Mumm 30's and the Farr 40s.
From what I can determine the ketch rates at 210? Seems slow to me but I'll take it.
For those that have raced your boat do you recall the PHRF number for your area and if you could please tell me your area. Do you think at "what-ever" PHRF the boat is at all competitive? Also were you long distance racing or spinning circles on a short course?
Thanks... Dale
It's great that your kids want to participate with you. More than I can ever say.
We were able to get a 216 rating ( unoffical) for the races we entered. Most of the time it was the first mate and myself only.
We have a small club would basically race within our club.
I love the way the 365 sails . she points , fairly well, and screams off wind. I can feel the helm as she gets"in the groove".
Many of the other boats in the club are close to the same rating so we have fun.
Hope you enjoy your time with your kids, it's important , anything you do.
They gave me a PHRF of 230 here in the Galveston Bay Cruising Accociation.
Ed
Thanks for getting back to me with the info. It appears that you two are the only race addicts in this group. From what I have researched, the basic phrf number for a 365 ketch is right around 210 depending on locale. The Sloop and I would logically assume the cutter, rates around 206. That is very respectable for the ketch and I am surprised that the two are only 4 seconds a mile different.
According to the cruising boat phrf guidelines, you pick up 6 seconds for a 2 blade fixed prop and +12 seconds for a 3 blade fixed prop. They also allow you +3 seconds for roller furling but you are limited to 2 headsail and the second can not be larger than a 110%. If you only use 1 headsail and it has the UV cover on the leech and foot and only made out of basic dacron, they will give me an additional +9 seconds a mile.
So... because I only carry a 130% on a roller furler, have a 3 blade fixed prop I can theoretically pick up +21 seconds a mile or a corrected phrf of a whopping 231. That is beginning to look a dog of a boat at 231 but ya never know.
We talked it through a bit last night and a 365 could be quite the phrf killer if you are a compotent sailor. Time will tell. We are now also contemplating an overnight 2 hander and a 4 day distance event. The 4 day deal is mostly reaching and I suspect that under full canvas, Main, mizzen, spinnaker, spinnaker staysail and mizzen staysail the old gal should reach hull speed even while the popcorn is popping in the microwave.
Good Sailing
Dale
Dale,
PHRF of the Chesapeake, Inc rates Sea Dragon, a cutter, at 201 with a 3 blade prop.
Garner
Hi Dale,
We have a few of us that come out on Galveston Bay and Texas Gulf Coast. It seems that we all rate right around 231 non-spin, using a 139.9 headsail (for 140, you take a kickey). That is also with a fixed three blade as part of the rating.
Jim,
Thanks for the info. As a mater of fact our fleet coordinator called me today to "discuss" the rating on Maruska. We are still waiting for a number from Lake Erie PHRF but they were looking for ballpark.
Dale
Here on Narragansett Bay in Rhode Island, I used to race Panache 365 Hull # 310 in the "Beer Can Series" at the local marina. We had a PHRF for her at 218. My claim to fame is that we would come in last and sometimes win the race!!!! The others would be at the bar and we would be pulling in. Lots of fun and great stories. I would not trade Panache for anything else. -Gary ;D
Gary,
It is beginning to look like the 365 is a PHRF rating crushing machine. We are hoping so at least. It does make sense, the rating initially is awarded for the boat performance attributes as designed. The PHRF is then adjusted to reflect the real world so to speak, which means that they look at how the boat finished throughout the season against other boats close to its PHRF and then tweak the number a bit to adjust against the design number.
I can't imagine that there are many rock stars out there standing in line to race this boat. The hot shot sailors are on Melges, J's, Farrs and the like so the actual PHRF numbers start to reflect the skill level and the competitive alignment of the owners that own and race them. I am not saying you and your crew are not a hot shots, but you get the idea. Most Wednesday night warriors do break out the beer on the down hill leg thus the name of the series.
We shall see and I will keep you informed. One thing is for sure, on a non-upwind long course with reasonable air, a 365 will indeed stretch her legs and be in the hunt.
I think I will expand our trophy shelf.
Dale