Hello all,
I'm buying a 1977 365 ketch, hull # 163. Its got about every excessory I can think off except a windlass. The one item my girlfriend insist upon. From what I've seen in my two hour first look at the boat, its never been equipped with a windlass, power or manual. I would appreciate very much any recommendations for size, make, model, and type; vert. or horiz. What do most 365's have? and what has worked best? Your kind assistance much appreciated as usual.
Sam
We have a SL Sea Tiger manual windlass. We used to use the mast winches to pull the anchor rode.
I also have the SL Sea Tiger its a good bullet proof unit (manual though).
For those using a manual windlass, how much chain do you have and how long does it take to get the anchor up? How often do you anchor?
We are really struggling between a manual and an electric.
Thanks!
If your budget allows I would go with the electric all for making life easy, I have 50 foot of chain time to pull anchor is dependant on water depth but I can bring all the chain home in a matter of minutes.
Ed
I'm reading numerous conflicting opinions on manual vs. electric.
I want to go price the electric ones to keep peace with my girlfriend, who thinks she will be the one stuck on the bow cranking a manual. It would be nice to hear from any owners who have electrics and what make and model they have.
Sam
Phantom has 60' of 3/8" BBB. It only takes a few minutes to crank it up. We chose manual because it is simpler, cheaper (used) and does not require electricity (huge amounts) in the bow. Originally we used the mast halyard winches to haul the ground tackle and were pleased with that arrangement. A Sea Tiger became available at a good price used and we installed it. We tend to be conservative on electric add ons because the 365 is not a large boat.
Jim, how did you use the mast halyard with chain? I have 200' of 3/8 BBB and really don't want to get rid of it. However, 2k for a windlass + installation is a bit much and that seems to be the price for a 3/8 inch electric windlass. I can pick up the Lofrans Royal manual (which handles the 3/8 inch BBB) for about $750.
Regarding electric windlasses, does anyone have a vertical windlass and, if so, is the space in the chain locker adequate? Right now you can pick up a Lewmar Concept I (1350#s max pull) for under $500 but it is a vertical with the motor under the deck. Unfortunately, it takes 5/16 HT chain, so I would have to replace that too. I have a call in to Lewmar to see if they have a gypsy that will take 3/8 BBB for the Concept I.
There is plenty of room in the chain locker to mount a vertical windlass, i just installed a new but older Maxwell VW800 (4 inch version) vertical windlass. Now i just have to wire it up. I had to make a few modifications to the cleats and installed new stainless steel anchor rollers. I lowered the cleats several inches so that the chain would not hit the cleats. I made a spacer 2 7/8 thick for the windlass to stand higher than the cleats and to align it with the bow roller. So, i worked with a manual for well over 7 years and now happy to go electric, because of where i anchor. Baron
Scott, sorry to reply so late. I missed your question.
We used the mast main and jib winches to haul the rode. I winched up the line until the chain was at the mast then cleated this off. I then tied another line on the chain at the bow and winched this on the winch on the other side of the mast. I alternated this arrangement until the rode was up. It was a bit messy on occasion. We kept two 20' lines at the bow with chain hooks to make the job a little quicker, but a rolling hitch on the chain works as well.
We have a two speed, dual Sea Tiger - plus two separate anchor rodes, each are 200' rope + 50' chain
Here's a pic: http://slokat.com/Wind%20Tamer/Ground01.JPG (http://slokat.com/Wind%20Tamer/Ground01.JPG)
Could use a little Cetol there Slokat!!
yep! wife just finished hand sanding to get the loose varnish off all the exterior teak. Next I need to do some repairs, set some new plugs & sand with a power sander, then some cleaning & seal it with the new natural teak color Cetol.
Boat sat for a couple of years before we bought it & was stuck in LA over the winter during the engine replacement. So it's probably going on three years since it was varnished.
Does anyone know what the "standard" manual winch that Pearson used on it's 365 Ketches in 1979? I couldn't find any markings on mine and it is in need of some work to put it operational again...
Well. we just ordered a new Lewmar H3 for the Bow of THIRD DAY. The Lewmar Profish 1000 just wasn't up to the task of full time live-a-board cruising where we live at anchor almost every night. It made it a year...but now it's time to call in the Big Guns!
Good on you, Rich! However, getting Polaris was a little harder on our pocketbook than we expected so, for now at least, we'll be attempting to repair what we've got...as soon as we figure out what IT is...hence the question - what manual windlass did Pearson NORMALLY install on their 365's?
It was a "something" 555. We had it aboard and gave it away....I'll rack my brain to remember, but i'm sure someone out there will remember the name...they were the standard manual anchor windlass of choice and we see them out everywhere cruising today! Lawrance maybe????? Someone....anyone?
I think the 365 was not delivered from the factory with a windlass at all.
Quote from: Jim S on September 23, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
I think the 365 was not delivered from the factory with a windlass at all.
I'll pull my orginal order form for the boat that the preveious one and only owner kept....I think you could order it as an option..like the teak and holly sole.
I have a good working lewmar installation. It took a long while to prefect it. You need to jack up the cathead 4 inches to lead well from the anchor sprit. That will probably require a shaft extension. That is a normal item and can be purchased. Do go the extra cost for a combination chain and rope cathead. The unit mounts just forward of the rear bluckhead of the anchor locker. You will need a VERY heavy cable for the high current. I suggest that you supply that cable through a relay to switch it off when not in use. It will prevent fire in case of a short and protect an accidential trigger that would burn out the motor.
It's a Simpson Lawrance 555. I have the same windlass which still works great... although I rarely use it. I have 300ft of 3/8 BBB. We're both young and spry so if conditions are calm we usually just pull the anchor up by hand, if there's a blow we then use the windlass which is slow but gets the job done... My girl actually likes pulling the anchor, makes her feel strong (which she is for a woman) but most of the time I do it just because I can do it so much faster and then dash back to the cockpit to take the helm while she stows the chain.
Quote from: Atavist on September 25, 2009, 12:32:33 PM
It's a Simpson Lawrance 555.
Bingo....I actually gave mine away to a needy sailor....but it was working like a song after all these yrs....just slow.
This guy is an ex-SL employee, I believe...
http://www.slspares.co.uk/
"Seatiger 555 Windlass is a heavy duty manual windlass, some parts can be ordered directly from this site. The complete windlass is also available, please enquire from the contact page."
I recently upgraded the electric windless on Long Winded. I use a Lewmar model. It took a few tries to perfect the installation. I prefer the vertical layout because it can help with other jobs like pulling someone up the mast . Get a head with both chain and rope. you will need it for the second anchor. You will need to jack up the windless 4 inches to clear the anchor bowsprit. That will probably need a shaft extension. You can order that with the windless. You will need a very heavy wire leads. the electrical load can be over 50 amps. It will run the length of thee boat. You should have some way to keep it turned off while not in use. You want to protect from shorts and You want to prevent accidental operation that will burn out the motor.
oh boy...does that Lewmar H3 look great up on the bow of THIRD DAY. I'll post a photo in the morning!
Turns out mine is a S/L Hyspeed. I've removed it and will be discecting it this week looking for the problem...more to follow.
OK - so I removed the SL Hyspeed from the bow, took it home and tried to open it. I was able to remove the clutch nut and gypsy from the starboard side and the set and washer from the port side but that's where things ground to a halt. I can't remove the cover without first removing the clutch cone from the mainshaft, and I don't know how to do THAT. Any suggestions? I think something may be loose (or a missing spring or something) inside. SOMETIMES the gears engage and the shaft turns when the handle is cranked and, at other times, the movement is only in one direction, giving way to the original position when the handle is moved forward. Bottom line: I need to crack it open and see what I'm up against. Any help would be appreceated.
Dave, maybe this will help.
http://www.slspares.co.uk/Hyspeed%20510.pdf
Looks like an SL 555 on consignment sale at my locally owned chandlery. Let me know if anyone wants me to make any inquiries.
I'd be interested in what they're asking for it...
...in the meantime, I'll continue my quest for disassembly instructions. Unfortunately, I'm not mechanically inclined enough to deduce (from the exploded diagram) how to go about getting past the clutch cone in order to remove the cover plate...
Hmm, I am conversant with these diagrams - looks like you need to remove the hex bolt #46 (appears to be into the end of the shaft) and then screw (s?) #29
keith
(armchair mechanic from the left coast)
And I might also be wrong... the grease fitting might actually be the one that is at the end of the shaft....
Looks like item #28 spring pin (probably a roll pin) goes through item #4 clutch cone. In the clutch cone description, it says the customer needs to be able to drill the pin hole. I assume that would only be if the clutch cone is replaced. If there is a hole in the clutch cone that looks like it goes through the clutch cone and shaft, try a long punch and see if there is a pin in there.
I do recall seeing a hole thru the cone....I'll give that a shot.
....removed the parts revealing the (intact) chain assy. Stumped for now. Attempting to contact the gentleman in Scotland for advise.
Hi
dont know if this helps but this is for the easy life, I have fitted a quick elec winch 1500 watt motor with 50 mtrs 3/8 chain the winch has deck switch's on the deck and a set of controls on the helm position.and a self stowing bow roller,as i sail single handed this lets me use the throtle to hold my possition whilst bringing in the anchor nice in crowded places,ocean pilgrim
Quote from: SV THIRD DAY on September 23, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
Well. we just ordered a new Lewmar H3 for the Bow of THIRD DAY. The Lewmar Profish 1000 just wasn't up to the task of full time live-a-board cruising where we live at anchor almost every night. It made it a year...but now it's time to call in the Big Guns!
Better late thank...never...It has been a little over three years...how is the Lewar H3 doing?