Pearson 365 and 367

Pearson 365 and 367 => Pearson General Non-Mechanical System Maintenance and Repair => Topic started by: S/V AMITY on November 26, 2020, 12:40:53 PM

Title: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 26, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
  Because the teak & holly veneer on Amity's cabin sole has largely failed, we will be removing the veneered plywood entirely.  The reason I'm posting this is to see if anyone reasonably near Essex CT. wants the plywood pieces for serving as a cutting pattern for installing a wood sole in their cabin.  Just thought I'd ask...

Cheers!
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: Sailingmaple on November 28, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
I'm nowhere near CT but would love to have a template like that.  Currently I have the factory finished non skid down below with vinyl and rugs on top.  A proper new sole is on my wish list. Do you know what you will be replacing your sole with?
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 28, 2020, 12:11:48 PM
 Sailongmaple,

    Am a bit of a nostalgic and will be painting the sole (after sanding off the non-skid) black and spatter dashing with various colour paints.  Our Concordia yawl which we had for 40 years had this finish which was standard from Concordia.  Spatter dash was a traditional finish used in many old New England summer cottages and is uniquely American.  Since Waldo Howland, president of Concordia, was a New Englander himself, he thought the finish was just about right for a New England Buzzards Bay boat.  The other thing is it seems every boat you see has a teak & holly sole... very nice but too much of a standard-issue.  Sort of the same thing if every boat had the same colour scheme on deck.

  See:    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/t-magazine/design/splatter-paint-floors.html



Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 28, 2020, 12:16:59 PM
  Concerning the removed cabin sole plywood pieces, I'll put them aside in case someone wants them in the future. 

Cheers!
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: Sailingmaple on November 28, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Cool to learn, thanks for posting the link!  If you can, post a picture of how it all turns out when you finish. I'm sure many of us contemplating cabin sole options will appreciate seeing what you did.
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 28, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
  Will do. 

  Just got back from the yard where we de-bunged and unscrewed the ply from all the bilge boards.  Most came right apart but two of them had contact adhesive in addition to the screws. After a bit of prying and slipping a hacksaw blade between the ply and the bilge boards they came apart intact. The bungs on these were original so why Pearson glued only these two likely shall remain another Pearson puzzle.

  The shrink wrap is on now so next task will be removing the hatch cover lenses to have new ones made up.

  Cheers!
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: SVJourney on November 29, 2020, 08:21:23 AM
If you haven't done so already you might want to read this excellent write up by PeteW on sole replacement:
https://pearson365.com/forum/index.php?topic=1166.msg6230#msg6230

Cheers,
Wayne
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: Dale Tanski on November 29, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
You may want to consider tempered safety glass when replacing your hatch lenses.  Glass doesn't craze.Tempered glass is 10 times stronger than regular glass and safety glass has a thin plastic membrane between two panes of glass that keeps it all together if if is ever broken. 

I replace mine with glass and they are beautiful.  We replaced a set on a J-105 this summer and the improvement was impressive.  I just measured a Beneteau 40.7 to replace all of the hatches in that boat.


Dale
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 29, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
  Dale, what did you find the relative cost difference between tempered glass and plastic?
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: Dale Tanski on November 30, 2020, 07:40:28 AM

Before Covid tempered glass was about three times the cost for the materials.  Bedding the replacement lens of course is the same one way or the other.  Often removing the old glazing is the bulk of the work. 

Since Covid and the massive requirements for all of the useless plexi barriers, the cost of acrylic has skyrocketed and the availability has become iffy at best.  Now I would guess it is going to be very similar in cost.

The glass does take longer as any holes and the rounding of the corners must be done with the glass in the raw state.  Once that is complete the piece is sent out to a tempering house.  Typical turnaround is 2 weeks. Once tempered it cannot be altered or adjusted. Glass is available in the several tints, typically green, blue, gray and bronze.

Dale
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 30, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
  Thanks for the heads-up.

  Will be replacing the gray lenses with clear.  We like a bright cabin and if someone wants to peek in I don't care.  Prefer glass but we'll see what the quotes have to say.
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on November 30, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
  I take back the offer on the plywood sole pattern.  Realized I can't get the plywood sole off the boat in one piece because of the shrink wrap.  Will have to saw it up into smaller bits to fit through the cover's pass door.  Anybody need firewood?

Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on December 02, 2020, 08:32:32 AM
  Demolition just about complete.  What a mess...

  Was wet under the ply since with the ply screwed down hard over the fiberglass cabin sole there is no way for it to dry out once it gets wet. 
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on December 04, 2020, 08:57:56 AM
  Ply sole is now out. 
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: S/V AMITY on December 04, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
  One other thing... if your boat smells a bit "off" and can't find the source, a good candidate might be the 40 year old damp/wet teak & holly ply in contact with the molded glass sole.  When I pulled Amity's the smell was not good.  Constantly wet ply makes an ideal petri dish for mold & God knows what else to thrive.
Title: Re: The cabin sole
Post by: 84westy on December 06, 2020, 10:49:22 PM
I'm about to replace my sole as well.   Availability of teak and holly isn't great in North Alabama and shipping is very high.  Considering two options currently, tongue and groove solid teak and maple or mahogany and holly.   Either would be bonded to the fiberglass sole.   Seems strange that solid wood would cost less shipped here.   My original sole came out in pieces as well. 

Dale,
   Your hatches turned out beautifully.   I have two spare hatch's .   I stripped one this weekend and smoothed it, next is etch, alodine, zinc chromate primer, epoxy primer, then paint.    Believe your post said you used an awlgrip product.   I'm considering an automotive silver metallic with clear coat.  Have your hatches aged well with their coating?   

Nathan