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Pearson 365 and 367 => Pearson 365/367 Mechanic Shop => Topic started by: Shacklepin on August 15, 2013, 12:47:41 PM

Title: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on August 15, 2013, 12:47:41 PM
This is an idea I have been toying with for some time now. I need to re-bed my stanchions including the Pulpit which feels decidedly insecure whenever I have to work forward of it to play with the anchor or furling drum (another project).

Do any of the readers think it possible to move the entire pulpit forward about a foot lifting it up onto the capping rail? Thus giving me clear access to everything that is presently a struggle. I would then bolt right through the capping beam and hull joint and run the nav lights in the same way as present. The access I know is tight but my girlfriend is quite small and says she can reach.

What thoughts have you on the matter??     
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Dale Tanski on August 15, 2013, 02:31:02 PM
Sounds like a doable project to me.  I don't think that you will gain a full foot but close to that.  The rise of the bullworks will angle the lifelines upward for the 1st section but that could be eliminated if you had the pads removed, cut the legs down and reweld the pads on.
If you go this route, shoot us a picture or two.

Dale Tanski
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on August 20, 2013, 10:29:50 PM
Dale,
Thank you for your response. It's a project I've had in mind for a long time and it will probably be a long time before I pluck up enough courage to go ahead with the plan. I think the rise in pulit and safety lines will emphasize  the elegant shear she has or at least I hope it will. I must start by removing the pulpit and setting it forward then stand back and see how she looks. Only when I've seen how she looks will I decide the course to take. My only concern is being able to bolt through the capping and hull joint without running into existing bolts. 
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Dale Tanski on August 21, 2013, 01:03:04 PM
The chances of drilling into existing fasteners are very slim, however if your luck is like mine it will definitely happen.  I agree, remove the pulpit and set it up there to take a look.  The worst thing that will happen will be you get to rebed the rail when you put it back where it came from.  If you do chose to relocate it, the existing holes would have to be filled and they will probably always be visible.

Dale
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: S/V Deo Volente on September 02, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
A friend had his pulpit modified because a previous owner changed the rig to move the headsail to the end of the anchor platform. It does make working the anchors easier.
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k637/redzroadster/pulpit.jpg)
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: swiftibis on September 09, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
I removed and re-bedded my pulpit about 3 months ago.  The worst part is working with your back on the anchor locker sill.  I put a pillow over it but it hurt for a while.  I had to remove my inner forestay rigging as well as an anchor locker divider.  All my SS fasteners were heavily corroded and about 4 of them broke as I attempted to unbolt them.  I replaced them all as it was a PITA to do this.  The deck did not appear to be rotten in these areas despite the leaks.  It rains a lot in Florida, especially this summer, so re-bedding everything was a big priority for me.  I use gray butyl tape which is awesome stuff.
I wish I would have read this earlier, I could have laid the thing on the caprail and taken a picture to see if it still looks good.
Mike
S/V Boracay Star P367 Cutter
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on October 16, 2013, 08:46:50 AM
This is just a quick Update to say the Job has started. No photos yet as rain put paid to progress, but the pulpit is off and so are all the stanchions. I did a trial fit to see how it will look and to see if my idea to gain better access to the anchors etc will work and I think it will. I also believe it enhances her natural lines. I will place a teak block under the first stanchion to smooth out the transition but I am very pleased with the way she will look. I still have the stanchion mounts to remove but didn't want to encourage water into the deck so it'll have to wait till next weekend weather permitting. fortunately I have a tool in my toolbox second to none - a small girlfriend who is extremely supple. even with the inner forestay in place she can get inside the anchor locker and is a dab hand at mechanics, yes she's my dream girl. On three occasions now she has climbed inside the fridge to give it a good scrubbing in those hard to reach places. Getting back on track; does anyone Know a good source for my new lifelines? I have been advised to avoid the plastic coated version because you cannot detect any corrosion within the sheath. also when they do stain the white they look terrible.
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: crian11 on October 16, 2013, 09:34:33 AM
Defender has the Suncor quick attach lifeline kit.I just ordered four of the kits to replace my lines next spring.They were on sale for $151.79 per kit.They have coated and uncoated lines,I got the uncoated ones.....
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on October 16, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Thanks for the input Swiftbits.
I too have found corrosion on my Baby Stay in the anchor locker, the lower turnbuckle is rusty but looks an easy fix, my concern is that there doesn't seem to be any tension on it, in fact it is quite slack. I don't want to over stress either it or the deck so if yours is tight I will tighten mine to a balance between deck and tension, when I eventually get around to renew it.
Its great to talk to a fellow 367 owner, the only boats round here are 365's
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: swiftibis on October 16, 2013, 04:50:05 PM
Hello Shacklepin,
I'll post a lot because I live on and really love my boat and intend to take it places soon.  Just last weekend I installed a new Profurl 42 roller furling for the big jib.  When I replaced the rigging I also replaced the babystay hardware inside the chain locker.  The Navtec hardware was toast.  I greased up the threads pretty good to avoid future problems as much as possible.  The way I tuned the rig was to do the standard procedure for the rig minus the inner forestay.  I then put the 2 running backstays far aft with reasonable tension.  I then tightened the anchor locker turnbuckle until it was snug but not really tight.  Then I tightened the babystay until the tension was approximately balanced with the running backstays, and I noted that the mast appeared to still be straight.  I feel like the anchor locker stay is intended to distribute the load from the deck down to that rib in the bow, so it should have enough tension to not be slack under at-dock loads, with the assumption that it will really do its job under heavy sailing loads.

On my future ToDo list is to pull the babystay chainplate weldment, for which I also have to pull my windlass.  The windlass is newish and the fasteners are allthread and should be fine, although I'd like to bed them with butyl and put 1/4" thk aluminum backing to prevent any crazy pullout.  However the fasteners on the babystay chainplate look old and I fear the may have succumbed to the 400 SS crevice corrision problems so common to the other fasteners.  I'd rather not discover that in heavy winds and it's a cheap fix.

Another project which I'm interested in (and will do at the same time I pull the weldments because I'll be making a mess anyway) is to mount 1 or 2 sturdy padeyes to the bow down near the waterline with substantial thick backing plates.  I will then shackle an anchor bridle with a chainhook to it.  It's been recommended to me by cruisers as a method to reduce hobbyhorsing at anchor and either allow you to reduce scope or get more bang from existing scope in storms.
Mike
S/V Tardis
Pearson 367 Cutter Hull 26
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on January 06, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
OK I give up.............How does one load a picture ??? its only 81k aaaaagh
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on January 30, 2015, 04:40:31 PM
How does one post pictures on here.......anybody ????????
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: PeteW on January 30, 2015, 10:29:02 PM
You're going to have to upload your photos to a hosting site like Photobucket. You can open an account for free.  Prior to that its a good idea to edit and reduce you image to a size that will fit on the screen. I use windows paint for that. After the photo is uploaded you can copy the URL that photobucket assigns  into set of brackets that  get pasted in to your post when you click the button ( second from left on the above bottom row) called Insert Image.

(img]url goes here[/img)

Not at easy as say Facebook.   
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Shacklepin on July 20, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Here is my attempt to upload photo's of the relocated Pulpit
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn37/Shacklepin/IMG_3069_zpszq40aruh.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/Shacklepin/media/IMG_3069_zpszq40aruh.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn37/Shacklepin/IMG_3068_zpsggcipl6k.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/Shacklepin/media/IMG_3068_zpsggcipl6k.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: Maddie on July 24, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Looks great! I'm tempted to do this when I replace my lifelines.
Title: Re: Moving the pulpit forward
Post by: P69 on July 24, 2015, 11:09:17 PM
Shacklepin,

Congratulations on uploading the pictures, they are beautiful.

I have two quesitons;

1. Did you modify the pulpit to fit up there or did you just unbolt and park it up there as is?
2. Forestaysail sheet tracks... i'll open a new thread for this.