365 double head rig ketch

[S/V AMITY]

  Need info./opinions/pictures/experience regarding conversion of ketch to double head rig.  Am currently looking at a '79 standard rig and would like to add a staysail for more sail config. options.  Have no problem with adding running backstays if necessary.

  Where is the mizzen staysail tack attachment point located?  While touring the boat I didn't see any pad eyes on the cabin top or deck.  There is a staysail halyard but that was all.


Jim

[Dale Tanski]

Jim,
I own a 1976 P365 ketch with the factory self tailing stay sail.  Apparently there were very few of these built.  I am very happy with the arrangement as it provides many options and the self tailing feature is wonderful.

The inner stay and the head stay are parallel.  The inner fore stay attaches to the deck to a pad eye just forward of the FORESPAR stay sail pedestal.  That pad eye is through bolted to a pad eye underneath the deck. A short wire stay and turnbuckle attach to a knee fiberglassed into the bow.  All of this gear is located in the anchor locker. The short wire and turn buckle keep the deck from lifting from the induced loads of the inner stay.  I installed a quick release lever on mine to allow quick removal and storage of the inner stay if required.

There are a set of check stays that run from the upper connection point of the inner stay on the mast to pad eyes on the deck. There is one for each side. The check stays are 4 to 1 arrangements with on board cam cleats.  You tighten the upwind check stay as required to offset the inner stay loads.

The FORESPAR self tailing pedestal for the staysail boom is long out of production but I have seen them for sale on Ebay and this forum.  It could be fabricated with some effort if desired.  Besides the knee in the bow, everything else is basically a stock item and could be ordered from a good chandlery like ours.  The P367 cutter is the same arrangement but the dimensions I am sure are different.

If you go down to the Maruska section and look through the pictures of "upgrades for spring/summer" you will see several pictures of the equipment and one of the stay sail itself. There is a good picture of the entire rig under "interesting photos".

I would highly pursuing this add on, and like I said, I just love ours.

Dale Tanski
Obersheimer Sailor Supply
Buffalo NY
Maruska
Hull 40

I may be able to get out to the barn tomarrow to take a few pictures for you. 

There is a short traveler track just in front of the mast and the signal sheet is run back to the port halyard winch atop the cabin.

[S/V AMITY]

  Took some searching but finally found your pictures.  Interesting about the turnbuckle arrangement in the forepeak.  Am thinking that an alternative in order to keep the forepeak as "clean" as possible might be to add a heavy strongback athwartships under the foredeck club attachment point.

  Speaking of that forepeak chain locker, have to say that I have big reservations about the anchor chain's unavoidable bottom mud & water running the length of the bilge & winding up in the "black hole".  Bottom mud has all sorts of crap in it which smells like hell.  No sense running it through the boat if it can be avoided.

Related to that, at one point we were looking at Pearson 424's and so spent considerable time searching the net for owner comments, complaints, projects done & improvements.  One improvement stood out: the 424's chainlocker also drains into the bilge.  The solution for that which has been done on several boats was to install a water-tight raised platform in the chainlocker to support the chain well above the waterline.  Two drain holes (scuppers), angled back away from the flow of the bow wave were drilled port & starbord through the hull.  Small exterior stainless clam shell vents were mounted over the scupper holes facing aft.  The bulkhead forward of the V-birth was heavily reinforced and a beefy water-tignt hatch with dogs added.  The chainlocker now doubles as a collision bulkhead as it is completely isolated from the rest of the hull cavity.

  For cleaning the chainlocker and de-salting the chain while washing the deck down with fresh water, the hose is directed down the chain hawse and allowed to run for several minutes while keeping an eye on the clam-shell scuppers to confirm draining.

  Don't know if this mod. is practicable for the 365 but I'd sure make an effort to make it work.

  Enjoyed looking at the other pictures of your projects.  Everything looks Bristol... hats off!

  Cheers!

[Rudderly Confused]

I should know better than to question Dale, especially since I think I've read all of his posts, and followed much of his advice while working on my own 365. But (to Dale), did you mean "self tacking" staysail, rather than "self tailing"?  I don't have that feature on my boat, but I've seen a similar arrangement on many Island Packets.  I can see how the rig would add additional sail plan options, but since I single hand often, I'm still getting used to the ketch options as compared to my old sloop.

[S/V AMITY]

    That inner head stay of Dale's adds a lot of options for balancing the sail plan according to wind/sea conditions and point of sail.  Having a deck-level release to optionally bring the inner stay aft & out of the way allows a big jenny more space to pass through when tacking.  Am surprised more 365's weren't rigged that way.  Would be a good set-up for single handing.

[Dale Tanski]

Indeed you are correct.... I often refer to our self tacking stay sail as self tailing.  Old dog new tricks perhaps.  I have heard them referred to as self tending as well.  Either way it is a great set up.  One change I am considering is installing is installing a self tailing winch on the port side cabin top which its sheet is led to.

Good Sailing!
Dale Tanski

[S/V AMITY]

   Thoughts on roller furling club jib?

   What is measurement from mast head to the tang for the inner jib stay?  Also how are the running backstays & jib stay attached to the mast? Pictures?

[Ed.]

For future referrence: Dale's pics are here - https://pearson365.com/forum/index.php?msg=4603

Interesting reading - https://goodoldboat.com/adding-inner-forestay/